Saturday, October 30, 2010

Answer to Aamir. 2

Hi Aamir,

This is to answer your second comment.

1. If you ever visit Israel or what is called today the Palestinian territories, you will find places that are either 2000 years old or 100 years old. Not much in the middle. Guess why.
In the middle of the 19ht century there were about 250K people living where today is Israel, Palestinian territories and Jordan. Not the amounts you see there today. The reason it grew so much is because of Immigration, not only on the Jewish side but mainly on the Arab side.  A lot of simple employees that came to work on the rail roads built by the Turks in the begining of the 20th century and thereafter when the British mandate came.
There was no "Palestinian" identity till the 60s of the 20th century. In fact , major leaders withing the Arab community that today is called Palestinian said again and again that there is no such thing Palestinian people and that it's a Zionist invention. Read Shukeiri's words (He was the first head of the PLO, before Arafat.)

The Bible, besides being a religious script that is accepted by the majority of the believers in this world is also a Historic documents that it's chronological stories were confirmed time and time again. I was very embarrassed not once when I was present in conferences where Muslim leaders told the audience that there is no proof that Jews ever lived in Israel in the far past. That there is no proof of the temple there. The thing is that educated people like you and me knows its rubbish. but most of Muslims will sit there and drink the "wisdom" coming from that authority Cleric in thirst.
3. Jews were displaces by Romans about 1900 years ago, what does it matter if it wasn't by Arabs if Arabs now are robing the Jewish small piece of land. Take the following example to emphasize my point:
John stole Mustafa's cow and then Mathew came and killed John and took the cow from him.
Mustafa still has the right on his cow, regardless to who is the one hold it now, regardless to who is stronger.
No matter how you turn it. No one in far or close history has rights on that piece of land more than the Jews.
4. All you said about replacing people is not true. People were replaces throughout history and it brought more peace and quite. Look at the population exchange between Turks and Greeks, Between German and Polish, between Pakistan and India and many other places. Either way, we are not talking about huge quantities of people or case of people with no land. The Jews has no country of their own to go to. The Arabs has 21 of them. Look above on the map.
5.I don't know where you get your history but this is all wrong.
Let's start with the fact that most Arabs that left Israel during the 48 war did it because their leaders instructed them to do so, not because of the Zionists.
The Zionist leadership accepted a plan to share the land between the Jordan revere and the Mediterranean see between the Arabs and the Jews but the Arabs said no to it and opened a war on the week community of Jews, holocaust survivors that lived in Israel. Those are facts.
Arabs concord some Jewish villages and slaughtered all the Jews that were there (See Gush Etsion, Yad Mordekhay, Tel Hay and more).
6.Israel was not the aggressor in 67. It was the Arabs. Israel then took over land that was always through History Jewish land. It is called  Judea and Samaria. Guess where the word Jewish came from? (Answer: Judea)
The settlement that were built on this small piece of land are just rebuilding of old Jewish villages that were there before.
7.In the Palestinian deceleration of goals, till now, there is the goal of establishing one Arab country all over Israel.
Almost no Arab county is willing to recognize Israel as the land of the Jewish people. Israel is recognizing all the Arab countries as Arab countries. Who is the one who doesn't want to progress to peace here?
If Arabs really want to solve this conflict. The territorial argument shouldn't even be on the table. Look at the map above. Most of the land you see in the Arabic countries that "Support" so much the Palestinian cause are empty. Why can't each give some land to the "poor Palestinian" or compensate Israel for land it will give away? It will not matter to those countries at all. But this is not a territorial dispute. It's all about clearing the middle east from the Jews. Let's admit it.


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4 comments:

  1. Thank you for being courageous, thank you for saying the truth, thank you for being patient with your opponents!

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  2. Thank you, Ofer.

    I used to be one of those that received all thee lies and hatred about you. The more you learn about this conflict, the more you understand the necessity of Israel in the region not only as a homeland for the Jewish people, not only as the only just solution to the conflict but also as a light to all those nations that are struggling and hoping for a brighter day. Israel shows it's possible. Don't give up. Please share my blog in your Facebook.

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  3. I dont wanna repeat all those datas and historical facts, u should look after that as you are interested in this issue. All I can say is, please read other's point of view too before jumping to conclusions. and if you dont want to read what muslims historians and intellectuals have to say about this issue, fine read books of robert fisk, jimmy carter, etc on this issue. (and also about sabra and chatilla, morality of so called IDF, etc).

    and I have a request. when you are writing your point of view- dont write "We", instead use "I", which is grammatically and logically correct. you dont represent muslims and I think many muslims (including me) do not agree with you. so please, next time- talk of yourself not whole muslim world.
    Regards,

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  4. Hi Aamir,

    I am sorry for the late respond. I just read this one.
    I am very well rounded with the opinions I read and different Historical narratives and point of views. Maybe this is why I can bring to the table facts that are completely covered in the discussion in the Arab/Muslim world.
    If you can read Arabic, just go to Al-Jazeera website and read the news there. You will find that the main source of news to the average Arab is extremely shallow, biased and manipulative.
    It works because most, almost all of the Arab new costumers are very easy to manipulate and they are not exposed to any other facts but those anti Israeli facts since they are born.
    I find it very decadent and disturbing.
    Jimmy Carter was one of the worst presidents of the US. You can ask most Americans and they will approve what I just said. His anti Israeli sentiment is clear and hard to deny. Is this the balanced book you want me to read?

    I, As a Muslim, not only can say "We" when I speak about Muslims but I also should.
    In fat, I believe that I am talking on behalf of the majority of the Muslims, who are peace lovers and are not part of the madness that took over our religion.
    I suggest you try to go to the Al-Qaeda or Hezbollah/Hamas websites and ask them not to say "We" when they speak of Muslims. This will bring much more peace.

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